tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post114244511187190215..comments2022-11-06T11:49:30.169-06:00Comments on Our Seneca: PROMISCUOUS AND VULGAR CLEMENCYUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142957069058643612006-03-21T11:04:00.000-05:002006-03-21T11:04:00.000-05:00Lucilius,Thank you for your thoughts here. The po...Lucilius,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your thoughts here. The points you make are ones which must be discussed and pondered in the Church today. I would think the addition of a conditional phrase would help greatly.<BR/><BR/>Steven G.,<BR/><BR/>Yes, this promiscuous, vulgar clemency has affected the sermon - and everything else in the Church. Pastors have become like timid, frightened children, knowing right but choosing to please instead. They are unwilling to take the beating for standing up to the bullies (voter's assembly). They want to keep as much of their lunch money as possible.<BR/><BR/>Zeke on the edge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142913755205145142006-03-20T23:02:00.000-05:002006-03-20T23:02:00.000-05:00It is so unfortunate that we as Lutherans stop doi...It is so unfortunate that we as Lutherans stop doing something not because it is condemned by the Bible or impedes the gospel but because it is too Catholic or Calvinist. Just like making the sign of the cross at the or having crucifixes. <BR/><BR/>Back to the idea of not having a General Absolution. This is from the Calenberg KO: <BR/><BR/>"The pastors shall absolve each individual after an act of confession according to the command and promise of Christ and not two, three or more at the same time."Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142913558248007152006-03-20T22:59:00.000-05:002006-03-20T22:59:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142913424654946932006-03-20T22:57:00.000-05:002006-03-20T22:57:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142890115973617762006-03-20T16:28:00.000-05:002006-03-20T16:28:00.000-05:00The likelihood that there is anyone present in the...The likelihood that there is anyone present in these "seeker-sensitive" churches that is under Church Discipline is so remote that it is almost not a consideration! The church that would reinvent itself for this "seeker" would surely never comndemn his sins, and much less so in public! If there is any condemnation of sins, it is only in a general sense, and even then it only applies to the Goyim outside the church's walls.<BR/>I suppose since private confession is such an important part of the Roman Catholic Church's identity (or it used to be), it was inevitable that it be cast off eventually.Rev. Daniel A. Hintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17654548224453503661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142728716865545262006-03-18T19:38:00.000-05:002006-03-18T19:38:00.000-05:00I find that to be the case as well. There is also ...I find that to be the case as well. There is also a tendency that I think is related to having a General Absolution to turn the sermon into a pep talk.Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142691299792928582006-03-18T09:14:00.000-05:002006-03-18T09:14:00.000-05:00Do you agree or disagree that the practice of Gene...<I>Do you agree or disagree that the practice of General Absolution has negatively impacted the role of the sermon?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure. Sermons have their own problems, but I observe the same tendency toward "promiscuous and vulgar clemency."<BR/><BR/>I find it ironic in the common liturgical setting that the sermon is sandwiched between General Absolution and the Sacrament of the Altar - two incredibly potent "Gospel moments," - and yet there is an obsession with preaching essentially antinomian sermons (or at least sermons that rescue from an anfechtung that no listener has been allowed to experience).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142626932032310792006-03-17T15:22:00.000-05:002006-03-17T15:22:00.000-05:00I agree that General or Corporate Confession and A...I agree that General or Corporate Confession and Absolution should be removed. Do you agree or disagree that the practice of General Absolution has negatively impacted the role of the sermon? The church I am currently attend does not have a time of silent mediation bewteen the Confession and Absolution. Of course the church I currently attend is trying to be seeker friendly, and we all know that it is not seeker friendly to think about one's sins.Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142614878293023652006-03-17T12:01:00.000-05:002006-03-17T12:01:00.000-05:00As I understand the current practice, General Abso...As I understand the current practice, General Absolution is "promiscuous and vulgar clemency." As such, it should be removed. Perhaps it is possible to reform Corporate Confession and Absolution so that it is no longer "promiscuous and vulgar."<BR/><BR/>One common example of the indiscriminate nature of Corporate Absolution is the problem of absolving a congregation including one or more persons under Church Discipline. If they are under Church Discipline, then they are openly unrepentant and should not be absolved. <BR/><BR/>Whether Corporate Confession and Absolution is retained, removed, or reformed, private confession and absolution should be retained (or re-instituted where they have been removed).<BR/><BR/>"Of Confession they teach that Private Absolution ought to be retained in the churches..." Augustana XIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20242625.post-1142570999137324622006-03-16T23:49:00.000-05:002006-03-16T23:49:00.000-05:00Do you think that the General Absolution should be...Do you think that the General Absolution should be removed? What about offering a specified time for private absolution?Steven G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333100501666545305noreply@blogger.com